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right, sorry

7:30 PM

the point is that those things are hindering me from practicing tulpamancy to the point that i miss kelly a lot and shes basically gone

im sure she understands if you need time

somehow its just flat out cant reach to her at all

and its probably better for you to take time by yourself anyway

i think i dont know for sure

nobody knows for certain, but i think fixing the big problems first is a good idea

7:33 PM

thats all i really have

sighs

7:35 PM

thank you at the very least

@Juesto Flandre: For the tulpamancy aspect - though you've been advised before.. Tulpamancy is an experience you make happen for yourself, in the end your own beliefs and expectations are what shape what you experience. You can't just keep asking us to give you an answer that doesn't exist - you have to let yourself believe in things working out. If you keep expecting/subconsciously-believing things are still wrong/won't work, they will stay that way. Though, do make sure you don't mistake a tulpa's vocality getting weaker/harder after inactivity for intentional silence. If you guys have gone a long time without much activity/"forcing", you'll likely have to do some vocality development again to make it back up, the same way you did at the start. For the personal issues - we've said before we can't help, both to you specifically and to the server in general many times. You need to work with professionals to solve those problems, this is not a mental health server. As you've been officially warned several times about these things before, consider this a final warning on bringing either of these things up here again. I do hope you guys get everything sorted out (remember to think positive & hopeful, for the self-fulfilling nature of mental affairs), but you can't keep asking for help with the same thing time and time again. (edited)

i understand. why an answer that doesnt exist? i just feel genuinely blocked. i already have the resources for everything so i know very well that i shouldnt be asking here, i hoped to see if there was a different response to my ongoing issue @Reisen

Flandre: An answer that doesn't exist? (edited)

8:17 PM

I gave you a legitimate answer to both your problems.

8:17 PM

Both will require work, but that work is outside the hands of anyone in this server.

why did you say im asking to be given an answer that doesnt exist? (edited)

Flandre: Oh - I meant you keep asking as if there's an answer out there that someone can say that will fix your problems, but there is no such answer, because whatever solutions there are are up to you and possibly a professional, but not someone in this community. (edited)

8:24 PM

As far as I'm concerned I've just given you the best "answers" anyone here can give you.

i am well aware of that and im giving leeway on people

8:27 PM

im confident that i can make things work yet im struggling a lot

8:27 PM

i feel... i dont want to say aimless or lost

8:27 PM

am i trying too hard?

Flandre: I honestly couldn't say whether you're trying too hard or not hard enough. Overthinking, maybe/probably. My advice that your beliefs and expectations shape your internal experiences is the only answer you need, tulpamancy-wise. And the advice to see a professional for the rest is the only answer you'll get. (edited)

8:30 PM

If that's not enough (although it is), still don't bring these problems up here again.

okay...

8:37 PM

i was going so well containing myself from bothering

Flandre: Unfortunately even minor offenses add up eventually, and yours have. I'm kind of fighting to give you only a final warning + advice here, other staff would've muted you for a long time. (edited)

8:42 PM

Not being muted or kicked doesn't mean that if you do anything we've said not to again that the punishment won't be even more severe, though.

sorry for causing that

flandre's willpower is OP

i've met people (on the internet, of course) who became plural as a result of severe trauma

10:31 PM

is that any different from creating a tulpa by choice?

Well, for one, it's often involuntary if you're dealing with trauma. Not always, but often.

10:43 PM

On top of that, you might get yourself trauma-specific system functions that wouldn't be as common with non-trauma systems. For example, having alters with distinct roles (for example, protector alters) or having memory of the trauma blocked behind specific alters or amnesia walls.

10:44 PM

Again, it's not always that a traumagenic system will be a disordered one, but trauma can get in the way of functioning healthily as a system.

Nota

i've met people (on the internet, of course) who became plural as a result of severe trauma

Flandre: Well, there are tulpa systems here (we are on the border) who were created during hard or even ~"traumatic" times for the host (edited)

11:09 PM

The biggest difference is in whether you develop disorderly symptoms (ie dissociative episodes or unintentional switching, as in DID) or not (edited)

11:10 PM

As for whether disorderly plurality and intentional or non-traumagenic plurality are similar in nature, I would call that "strongly debated"

11:11 PM

Not as in there's lots of debate, but as in the disorderly-plurality community tends to get extremely emotional about it.

11:12 PM

We personally believe plurality is generally the same thing going on for anyone (with individual system differences existing just as much within intentional tulpamancy as with other "types" of plurality), just with the addition of disorderly symptoms for some.

Hey everyone, so I've been slowly working on creating my tulpa for a while now, and we've made some progress but things have really slowed. I can tell that she is sentient, but I can't hear her at all and sometimes I struggle to understand what she's trying to convey to me. The problem is, while I know this is a process, I'm really struggling with anxiety recently and I could really use a friend who I can confide in. I talk to her and tell her about what's bothering me, but I would love to be able to hear her back. Does anyone have any tips on how I can start to actually hear her?

you can try these vocality exercises: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YDCtvTyy-P7a_oklO2rcJq4secvEQDk-7bgu3HYASqk/edit

Tulpa Vocalization Practice

Tulpa Vocalization Practice By Indigo Felight Introduction Think of this like a digital worksheet for you and your tulpa, to help your tulpa learn to vocalize through practice. There are 10 different exercises organized from most basic to most advanced, each with 15 examples/prompts for the tul...

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you can try these vocality exercises: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YDCtvTyy-P7a_oklO2rcJq4secvEQDk-7bgu3HYASqk/edit

Thank you so much!

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Flandre: That all sounds good so far! Developing vocality does tend to take some time. The important thing is just to interact & expect responses, and not be too critical about what you consider "them or not". It's not too important whether you're "right" or not, rather, this process of expecting & receiving responses from your tulpa gets established in the brain, and their responses will start to both sound and feel more like "them" and less like you over time. Eventually, it won't even be in question when your tulpa talked/thought something vs you. (Mainly because of the "feeling" of their thoughts/voice, but if you develop a unique audio-voice for them, that helps too of course) (edited)

Hey guys! I have a question. How can you get rid of all your tulpas? (Mine were created due to trauma) and if I don't "use them" I feel weird for some reason. Is there a way to permanently get rid of them?

Given what you shared, I feel I need more context. What do you mean by feeling weird to "not use them"? I'm also wondering if you're talking about "tulpas" or a mental health symptom

They are tulpas, not use them meaning Me not being in the "character" Like when I am not the tulpa I feel weird

10:54 AM

But they are definitely tulpas

What would happen if you weren't a "tulpa"?

I feel uncomfortable, like I need to be the tulpa otherwise I just feel sooo uncomfortable

This doesn't sound like tulpamancy, it sounds like a mental health issue. It's not normal to feel you have to be a character who isn't you, I'm wondering if these "tulpas" are just aspects of yourself you dissociated yourself from. I would find a therapist, that would be the best way to integrate your sense of self back together. Or in other words, "get rid of your tulpas"

Thank you so much for your suggestion. I will definitely look into finding a therapist or whatever would help. Thank you for your time! Really approved it

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Hey guys! I have a question. How can you get rid of all your tulpas? (Mine were created due to trauma) and if I don't "use the...

@Ann - jump it might possible that it's not that you feel uncomfortable when you are not "tulpas", but you are feeling uncomfortable by default for other reasons and "being your tulpa" could be your coping mechanism

12:15 PM

if that's what is the case, a therapist would help you understanding why you feel uncomfortable and teach you other, healthier coping mechanisms

Flandre: Note that not every therapist is equally... good, and you may need to try seeing a different one (or even a third) if they're really not helpful to you (edited)

Well yeah, people need to be aware that shopping for therapists is okay and to watch out for red flags

What does everyone think about the ethics of making a tulpa for romantic fufilment? (I'm not saying I'm going to do it, I was just curious to hear what .Info generally thinks since some people get really up-in-arms about it)

"asking for a friend"

8:54 AM

listen, anyone who says that doing something that would make you experience self love (loving a tulpa and tulpa loving you is in effect brain experiencing is basically self-love) is immoral just tries to validate themselves for the cost of your happiness (edited)

8:55 AM

i will fight all of those people in a cage fight

8:55 AM

i myself wouldn't do it, but will fight for people who do!

I am asking for a friend!!

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8:58 AM

You are just assuming things, KitKat!!

so that's about ethics, but you probably know already what i think about ethics instead of looking at tulpamancy related things via the lens of ethics (yuck), i ask myself: does it make the person happy? is it healthy for them? purpose of having a romantic partner tulpa is to make someone happy, so the first one is ✅ the second one though? well, i've seen people going a bit crazy about their relationships with headmates, where the headmate gets jealous etc. that's unhealthy and should never happen, tulpa AND host should understand that a healthy irl relationship is much more fulfilling despite all the "but but but my tulpa knows and understands me more than anyone eeeelse

it's much better than irl relationship can be!

" delusions and something to work towards (edited)

9:00 AM

tulpamancy is a great opportunity for personal growth, you shouldn't use it to get stuck in an aspect of your life

Yeah, that's understandable. I just see so much overlap with "I made a tulpa to be my significant other" and waifuism

i wouldn't judge anyone comitting waifumancy

tbh wouldnt care either not my life

9:09 AM

big shrug

I don’t like the idea but not my circus not my monkeys so whatever

not really gonna judge ppl for what they do in their mind yknow

as long as the tulpamakerguy doesnt inflict pain on the tulpa or make them feel bad if they dont reciprocate i dont care but im quite biased :P

Iota ↩️

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As long as it isn't a genetically engineered catgirl who lets me pull her tail

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iota wants to create a catgirl waifu confirmed

Yeah, understandable. I think I'm personally rather against the idea. I feel like it takes away from human relationships, and someone dating a tulpa might reject human relationships on that basis.

I’ve got absolutely nothing against naturally entering into a relationship with a tulpa after knowing them for a while though

Celeste | Space Scouts 3(🏝)0 ↩️

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9:19 AM

In-sys relationships are pretty great in their own way, separate from outside relationships

I agree. I'm in one, and very happy.

9:22 AM

Most people in my system date each other, or are open to that idea, and I'm all for it. I'm just personally iffy about headmate creation solely for that purpose.

non romantic love is alright too

Agreed, but I feel like there is a difference.

leviine

Most people in my system date each other, or are open to that idea, and I'm all for it. I'm just personally iffy about headmate creation solely for that purpose.

ewww!

Same here, completely agree with that, we’ve got a ton of people together in-sys (edited)

Iota ↩️

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ewwwx2!

girl and boy bacteria

9:25 AM

ew

there are many groups of us dating insys it is actually a pretty good way to get closer and even integrate possibly

9:29 AM

honestly just having a partner in my brain to help me has been massively helpful too so..

Yeah, it’s nice to have someone close like that

Lapis ↩️

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am i and shield really the only people who don't do any of this lewd stuff

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ewwww

9:32 AM

@aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae do you do it?

yep you guys are the most purest beings in tulpamancy (bows to you)

no

phew thank you

were more like brain siblings

nice

i physically cannot be attracted to a real person in any way idk what makes system stuff different

9:34 AM

even then its kinda just wanting the partnership